You know, I mean, it’s just, I’ve been blessed.

I’m grateful to be, you can take a step back and look at things and you can be grateful content. Yeah, you might, you might just get it when you be like, oh, wish really? But I honestly, at the end of the day, man, I’m really grateful. You gotta be careful for people that want to be executives and we’ve said this before for people that want to be Csos be careful what you’re asking for. You know, I get an email from Kevin and like, really? I mean, I got 10,000 things on my list. And if you did, you’d be like, are you kidding me? Because that’s how I feel. Evan Francen: kevin? I know, right? Well, I would tell you about the, you know, there’s all these conversations that happen to have the scenes that I don’t think people, uh, you know, like there’s executive conversations that happen that people don’t know. And then when you do hear him, when you guys popped his head up, you know, it’s like, oh shit, what is it now? You know People don’t really realize that he does.

I can’t imagine doing the stuff I do and us doing stuff we do without him because he does that stuff in the back end. Evan Francen: Right? Well, he knows, I mean, it’s not like it’s, he’s a fantastic ally is great to have on the team. But uh, we took that away from Kevin, not because we thought it was, I mean, after the same reason it happened with you for him because he sucks at managing people, I think, You know what I Well it’s always a double edged sword because you never know how one how people are communicating map, you know, like where they’re coming from, you know, because like we did that with Kevin Kevin’s, I wouldn’t have a listener so he’s going to hear this and probably getting a crap about it. Well, you know, I will say that, you know, one of the nice things with my role is, you know, there when they said, hey, we’re gonna take away your HR responsibilities, but you get to keep all the security responsibilities and manage the programs. So you’re kind of over engineering that and then you also go the other way, sometimes we’ve got, you know, people that just aren’t capable of doing some of the things that we asked them to do and that’s always a challenge trying to figure that stuff out and made to those waters. Well we all struggle with that uh, in management when you’ve got really high end resources and they’re using them maybe on tasks that they’re not best built for. Um, most appropriately, you know what I mean? Yeah. Evan Francen: Well, one of the things we talked about earlier this weekend and we won’t get into it here on the podcast is using resources I think too. There’s, there’s a good busy and they’re not so good busy, you know what I mean? Brad Nigh: We’ve had some, you know, some stuff going on with work is being, you know, it’s crazy.

But before we do that, you know, Brad Nigh. We’re in the middle of not in the middle sort of failure in the middle of this all this black hat defcon goody stuff happening in Vegas.

Schedule a demo to learn how we can help. SecurityStudio help information security leaders at organizations ensure they’re protected against cybersecurity threats, stay insurable, and legally defensible with our risk assessment and risk management software. Protect Your Organization from Cybersecurity Threats What are these events? Evan & Brad unravel everything you need to know about BlackHat 2021 and DefCon 29 in this week’s UNSECURITY episode. In this episode, we connect with Wednesday, Press Department Lead for DEF CON, and Kevin, the Village Lead/Vendor Lead responsible for organizing the numerous villages and vendors that take the floor (physically and virtually) during the event.It’s finally here, the annual BlackHat and DefCon29 events are back again in Las Vegas, Nevada. It's become a tradition to connect with the organizers of the events we cover to get their insight behind the theme, the topics, and other important points attendees need to know before they go. 'Signals From The Villages' is the ITSPmagazine theme for our Coverage Conversations at this year's DEF CON. DEF CON will not be a “normal” con, but more like DEF CON “Different.” DEF CON 29 will be a hybrid conference, partially in-person, and partially online. Can't Stop The Signal | DEF CON 29: Theme, Villages, Research, And The Hacker Community | A Conversation With 'Wednesday' And 'Kevin'

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